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mr. obama bluntly tells the right, its atime to step up. tonight, no more talk, no more games. president obama says, now is the time to pull off the band-aid. but do republicans even want to deal? speaker boehner still searching for some backbone. he goes running back to the tea party. tea party freshman debates meet live tonight in the. plus, michele bachmann shameful slavery analogy and why it's not the first time she's gone there. and a smoking gun on racial profiling. a crusade against immigration, stopping dead in his tracks. welcome to the show, i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, the republican shows itself to be the party of
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no deal. not new deal, no deal. president obama hauled republicans back to the white house for budget talks today. after calling them out for their lack of leadership. >> might as well do it now, pull off the band-aid. eat our peas. now is the time. if not now, when? i'm prepared it take on significant heat from my party. i expect the other side should be willing to do the same thing. if they mean what they say, that this is important. >> the president also said republicans will not get everything they want. >> i do not see a path to a deal if they don't budge, period. >> i mean bb if the basic proposition is my way or the highway then we are probably not going to get something done pb
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if mcconnell and boehner don't want to see the u.s. government default, then they have to compromise just like democrats have to compromise. >> this weekend john boehner backed out after bigger deal proposed by the president that would have included up to a trillion dollars in new revenue. it seems like the republicans talk a big game about solving the nation's problem. but they are really only interested in one thing, that's winning back the white house. mitch mcconnell said this on fox news. >> the most important thing we want to achieve is for president obama to be a one-term president. >> that is true. that's my single most important political goal along with every active republican in the country. >> joining me now, is the independent senator from vermont, senator bernie sanders. senator, thank you for being here tonight. how do you explain the
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republicans unwillingness to compromise to get the big deal that they said they wanted, to put everything on the table. the president said fine now they back down. >> what they said is they would like everything on the table. so long as it means cuts to social security, medicare, medicaid, the needs of our children, and the environment. all of that is on the table. but if you asked billion airs it start paying a little bit more in taxes or if you do away with loop holes for large corporations, that make billions and pay nothing in taxes, apparently that is not on the table. so i think there are two issues going on. number one, obviously, they are doing their best to protect the wealthy and the powerful. number two, if the economy tanks, and more people lose their jobs, they see that as a positive thing for the republicans. >> now, let me ask you senator, are there structural things that could be reformed and improved in social security, medicaid or
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medicare? the only thing that can be done is cutting what they do for people? i mean, is it one or the other or both? >> al, what bothers me about the social security debate, is i think as you know, social security hasn't contributed one nickel to our national debt. it's funded by pate roll tax but has $2.6 trillion surplus can pay out ben fitsz for 25 years. if you want to have a discussion about how we can extend social security benefits for 75 years, let's have that discussion. >> right. because people are paid into that, that's what people have invested in. >> right, it has nothing to do with deficit reduction. >> right. in terms of medicare can we make that system more efficient without cutting benefits? yes we can. can we do the same for medicare? yes. i fear very much that what republicans have in mind is at a time when 50 million people have no health insurance throwing millions more off of head cade.
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i ask you al, what happens to a wild who can't get health insurance? what happened to a family whose mother is in a nursing home and doesn't get medicaid help for that? what happens to though people? >> and seniors with social security. see, i think that the real problem that i think is that we have not put the human face on it and senator, i question as i looked at this because i was as concerned as you are when i'm hearing social security and medicare, medicaid put on the table was was the president talking about effecting benefits or about structural? we don't know because boehner and them backed out. so i wonder if the president played a chess move while they were playing checkers. >> well, i don't know, al. i'm not so sure about that. >> i don't know either. >> when they talk about the so-called chained cola, let me tell what you it means. it means for the average person, when you become 75, you're going to lose something about -- something like $600 from what
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you otherwise would have received. when you're 85, that's about a thousand dollars. >> which is a lot of money. >> which is a lot of money for somebody who is trying to get by on 14, 15,000 a year. so this could really hurt. i'm going to do everything i can to see that that does not happen. >> do you think the voters that are concerned about seniors, that are concerned about working and poor people having medicaid, do you think they understand that the republicans are saying, you are up for discussion but the rich guys and the corporate jets and all of that, let's not talk about it. no deal if they have to be talked to. >> the answer is that i think the people do. every single poll that i have seen, al, says that the american people want to protect social security. they want to protect medicare. and you know what, when asked, their preferred choice for deficit reduction, it is to tax the wealthy. that's what the american people want.
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if i were republican, i would not be happy going back to campaigning back home and say, yeah, i'm prepared to cut medicare, medicaid, social security but i'm not going to ask the wealthiest people to cut. i don't think that's a wealthy political hand. >> thank you bernie sanders, independent from vermont. thank you for your time. join meg now is pat buchanan and bill press from the bill press show on sirius radio. good evening gentlemen. >> yes, sir, hi, reverend. >> i woke up this morning and heart the voice of pat buchanan in my ear screaming on the station about how all of this was theatrics. mr. buchanan -- >> right. >> -- can't you at least concede that it looks as though the tea party is running the republican party? that mr. boehner probably said, yes mr. president, let me try to reach up to higher ground and
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talk a big bargain and then he started getting beat up by his caucus who are really afraid that the tea party people and he had to turn around and do 180-degree turn. >> i don't know exactly what john boehner did. >> this is a big deal but let me tell you why the republicans are behaving as they did. in 2010, they went to the american people and said we made mistakes in the last decade. if you elect us we will try to cut spending and we will not raise taxes. we swear to you by will not raise taxes. and now, here we are, six months later and everybody's demanding that they break their word and get together and give us a trade in revenue or 2 trillion if revenue. let me ask you, isn't that why the american people detest politics and poll politicians?
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people pledge to do something, then get to washington and say, well, the situation changed and we had to tell you a lie. and then they do exactly what they said they would not do. i admire the republicans. i agree with you, they are getting beat up real do. they admire him for standing their ground, standing by -- >> let me answer a question. since you reversed it and bill press can help me with this. the problem is you used the term lie. why don't we tell them the truth, bill. that is that we are not talking about raising taxes. we are talking about stopping those cuts in taxes. there is a difference. we are not talking about raising taxes by $1. >> i was there in the briefing room. the president made that clear. nobody talked about raising $1 in taxes. not this year, not next year, not for the middle class, not for the wealthiest people of all. it is getting rid of tax subsidies. let me tell you something al.
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>> wait a minute, bill. i want pat just for to you hear the president say that to you. i think he was talking to you, pat. >> you could have been. >> nobody has talked about increasing taxes now. nobody has talked about increases -- increasing taxes next year. i have bent over backwards to work republicans to try to come up with a formulation that doesn't require them to vote sometime in the next month to increase taxes. >> now, let me show you one thing and bill will finish. >> i'm going finish my point al first. >> all right, go ahead and finish. >> look, hear's the deal -- here's the problem, the republicans can't take yes for an answer. they have a $4 trillion package. 3 kill trilon in cuts. that's three to one ratio in tax adjustments in subsidies. they can't take it.
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boehner can't make the deal. he wants it make the deal but the tea party won't let him. i think it is dead end street. i think obama is wasting his time thp. they don't want a deal. they want to just embarrass obama publicly. just use the 14th aplendment and do what he's got to do. >> let me tell you why -- let me tell you -- let's take an example. you know i lost a lot of weight but i used it eat a lot of pie. let me use a pie as a graphic here. pull up my pie. look at this pie. if you look at the pie, of the deficit, bush tax cuts was 424 billion. so when they talk to the american people, and they are saying we didn't eat the pie and all 69 blueberry is around their mouths, we know they're lying because we see the blueberry around their mouths from the pie, pat. >> all right. are you telling al, you seem to
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be saying, let's raise the rates back it where they were when bush came in. >> i'm saying, stop the cuts. there's a difference. >> tax haven. >> there's something else. >> hold on, bill. >> you just talk, bill. let me talk for a second. >> you never get to talk, pat. >> i agree with bill. i agree with bill to this extent. i think they ought to call off the talks at the white house. mr. boehner ought to get out of bed, come back to the house. he ought to pass an increase in the debt ceiling. he ought to cut 1 trillion or 2 trillion, however much he can get. talk to the senate, get it through the senate. send it down to president obama. if he says i've got have revenues and what ever it is, i will veto this, let him veto is. >> you're tell meg that pat buchanan just said the president should stop the talks. >> boehner should. >> first thing we say, the president gets involved. now they say, let's stop the talks. boehner should go back. you were in the white house, you
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were a communications man with mr. reagan, pat -- >> the republicans are losing on the message now. >> atsz my turn now. >> pat, i'm going to come back to you now. i'm coming back to you, pat. i just want to point out, if the president is talking about two years from now, yes. is taking the bush tax cuts, going back to what they were under bill clinton. we had the eight most prosperous years in our lifetime mr. bill clinton with higher taxes. don't say that taxes will right the economy. the second thing is, i have to point this out. i have to think againing with the president is making a mistake. the american people don't give a rat's butt about debt reduction. they care about jobs. pat misread and misquote wlaed 2010 was all about. i remember john boehner saying be with you put us in office and we will restore jobs. nobody is talking about jobs any more. that's what the american people care about. >> you are a great spinner for mr. ronald reagan, the great
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communicator. they ran on jobs. they ran on building back the economy. they didn't run saying we will protect corporate jets and hedge funds. that's not what they ran on. >> you're right, reverend sharpton. ronald reagan created 20 pillon jobs. how did he do it? he cut taxes across the board. >> get out of here. he raised taxes, pat. 11 times when he was in the wlous. he raised taxes. seven out of eight years he was in the wlous. pat, don't be michele bachmann. don't reinvent history. >> how many jobs has barack obama created? 2.5 million since he got in. >> 2.5 million since you asked. >> that's more than george bush created inning ayears. fact. >> why do we have a crisis if he has done so well? >> let me take my msnbc analyst and sparring partner pat buchanan an radio host, bill press.
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thank you so much. will the tea party take down john boehner and the republican party? we will talk to a tea party member. and michele bachmann tries to distance herself from slavery references that she endured. what she is saying now isn't much better, really. plus, the tour might be over. but sarah palin just used that bus of hers to run over the entire gop filed. will she run? stay with us pch it's 2011, wonder where the durango's been for the last two years? well, it toured around europe, getting handling and steering lessons on those sporty european roads. it went back to school, got an advanced degree in technology. it's been working out -- more muscle and less fat. it's only been two years, but it's done more in two years
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i think speaker boehner has been trying to do something big. the politics that swept him into the speakership were good for big term election. they are tough gor government. >> president obama today now saying that speaker boehner's hands have been tied by the far right of his base. as if to prove the point, boehner pushes back at all of the reports he had been pushing on package that included tax increases. >> there are no increases ever on the table.
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there never any agreement to allow tax rates to go up in any discussion i've ever had with the white house. not once. >> joining me now, republican congressman from georgia representative tom graves. congressman graves, in that statement by speaker boehner was he talking to the american public or trying to convince guys like you that he wasn't talking to the president about ending the tax cuts from the bush years? >> i don't know at any time he was spoken of raising taxes. republicans were against raising taxes and it isn't about the tea party, it is about preserving america's future. the tea party is a group of americans that love our heritage, love what we stand for and love the foundation and principles. they are willing to be vocal about it an it is such a great time in our history, it is certainly needed. >> i think that's admirable but do you also love seniors that need social security.
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do you need working people that need medicaid and people that have paid into social security? i mean, i appreciate you lovering america but do you love americans? that have to survive in america. >> i don't imagine you've ever been to a tea party rally but there is a wide spraeng trum of americans there. many of them receive benefits, medicare, medicaid. it is america well represented. if we are talking about preserving america, it is preserving all of america and the talking points of going back it medicare and medicaid. none of that is in jeopardy if the president would r would lizzen to plans in place that the republicanes have put out there. common sense, cut, cap and balance. how much more common sense is that than ending the deficit now? >> you want the president 20 sit and listen and talk to you and do what? try to work out some compromise? but you are the guy that says there is no time for compromise.
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my way or the highway. look at what you said. sh you. you wrote on your website, you know when we hear the word compromise. this is graves talking. you. when we hear the word compromise on capitol hill, that's what got us in this mess the last several decades. h is no time for compromise. that doesn't sound like someone who loves america and wants the president to be reasonable. >> this is no time to compromise. why are we compromising america's future and compromising spending cuts and getting our fiscal house in order? why do we have to say over ten, 12, 15 years. let's do it today. i have an eight-year-old daughter. >> let me ask you, what would be so intolerable to the seniors that you say are in the tea party, toes this that have pled cade and medicare in the tea party to say we have to put on the table talking about tax cuts for corporate jets. i'm sure you don't have a lot of corporate jet owners at your rallies. >> first of all, i will remind
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you that it was the president that brought up cutting social security medicare medicaid benefits. >> i think he said put on the table for discussion. i don't know know if he said benefits but go ahead and get to my question. we are talk about corporate jets. >> we are talking about cutting the deficit, capping spending and balancing the budget. that takes a lot of big decisions. >> as long as we don't talk about ending tax cuts from bush. as long as we don't talk about closing loop homes holes as long as we don't talk about corporate jets. then we can talk. >> i voted against the corporate welfare and loop holes you are addressing. your president, barack obama, signed it into law. so how can you stand there and be against what your president just sign need law? >> if you voted against it, your party certainly didn't. but then if you voted against it, then you can take this opportunity to tell your party right now, i voted against
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millionaires, oil companies, corps rate jet owners, hedge fund managers and that shoulding on the table with the president. go ahead. i'll shut up and let you tell boehner and them publicly, put it on the table because you voted against it. >> thank you. my record is real clear how i voted. but what i would like you to share with the american people is are you as opposed to balancing the budget as barack obama is. that's it, very sim 78. >> balancing the budget, it seems to me that a very prominent member of the reagan administration. talked about this balance the budget amendment. are you aware of that? are you aware of what he said to me? let me show you so you know exactly where the language that bruce bart let, an aid to ronald reagan, said about balancing the budget. >> quite possibly the stupidest constitutional amendment i think i've ever seen. it looks like it was drafted by a couple of interns on the back
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after napkin. >> so barack obama is following the advice of -- >> he said it was one of the stupidest things he ever sneds so barack obama is following the reagan administration? that's the number one thing we need to do right now in our nation. 49 -- >> mr. obama didn't put that up, i put it up. i'm asking you, you brought up balance budget, i'm telling what you bart let said. >> well, apparently they are working 06 the same sheet. i am for it. the american people are for it. 49 of the 50 states have balanced budget amendments. i think the federal government should have it as well. >> you do not think again that even though you claim here tonight that you voted against corporate welfare, that corporate wealwell fair should be part of the discussions with the president in these meetings on the deficit? >> i'm for cutting spending, capping the spending and balancing the budget. all of that is a part of it. >> are you for talking about it into these meetings? >> i'm for cutting the deficit right few. >> -- congressman graves. >> let's put it in perspective.
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you can cut the loop holes out. we will have $14 trillion in debt tomorrow still. let's deal with the bigger issue, al. let's get off the -- >> if you let the bush tax cuts run out, have you a huge amount of money to work with. there's the graph right there, $424 billion you cut into it if you let the tax cuts just expire. but congressman, i'm a preacher. i know the difference between talking the talk, walking the walk. you claimed you voted for it but you don't want to walk with it because you have the opportunity right few on national tv to say to your party and to your speaker, put it on the table. i voted against it. that's what i'm telling everybody. >> what i put on the table and made clear is cut the deficit now. cap the spending and balance the budget. that's the answer to the deficit and debt crisis we have in this nation. if we are to preserve america in our future, p will take big bold
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proposal proposals. we need bold proposals. >> so we cannot ever talk about dealing with the rich and the corporate jets or grandma and washinging people. you are expendable. >> as long as you're on the air there is a lot of talk about it. thank you. >> thank you for your time this evening. ahead, governor said his union bashing was all about jobs. but now we know the truth. that's tonight's con job. plus, michele bachmann surges. but just wait until you hear what she is saying now about slavery. and a right wing pledge. to all of us. stick with us. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] you have all this chicken.
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wisconsin's union buster governor scott walker claimed his agenda was about jobs. but so far, he is only getting prisoners to work. that's our con job of the day. wisconsin voters may be moving closer to kicking out six republican senators who backed walker's union-bashing policies. tomorrow is the democratic primary for those races. as the fight heats up, the real impact, of walker's anti-union law, are being more clearly
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seen. here is what he said, the law would do. when he signed it. >> first off these reforms, budget reforms, middle class jobs, and middle class taxpayers. >> now, walker's law has been in effect for about two weeks and isn't protecting jobs. instead, think progress reports. it has allowed officials in one county to have prisoners, start doing public work project that used to be done by union workers. a ra seen county executives says having prisoners do work will save money. >> we will have them pick up trash on the roads so we can use county personnel to dot more difficult tasks, which is you know, putting in a parking lot at the park. >> you heard it, so instead of creating jobs, walker's law is helping local government get inmates to do the work for free.
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welcome back to the show. now to discuss some of the stories of today. political stories, we bring on our power panel. joining me msnbc political analyst michelle bernard. david druker and matt lewis. our first question, is this a senior candidate. bachmann has momentum and is now claiming a top spot in a new iowa poll. she has the support of 25% of iowa voters with mitt romney. you can get to 21% to tim pawlenty and herman caine are
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way behind with 9% each. she is even stronger with 32% on her side. matt is bachmann a real threat? >> absolutely. >> to beat romney? >> absolutely. bachmann certainly could. she is from iowa but she fits into the culture of iowa. i mean, mike huckabee won last time. i could definitely see michele bachmann winning there. i can see the real question is, will sarah palin or rick perry get in? but otherwise, michele bachmann can definitely win and much more likely than mitt romney. >> the striking thing about that, is that let's look at the primary calendar. if bachmann wins iowa, loses new hampshire, and then is she doing well in south carolina, win south carolina, it's the same kind of primary trajectory that president obama had in the 2008 democratic primary calendar.
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>> absolutely. i think it is really fascinating, particularly for several reasons but particularly if you think about back to 2008, you know the big question that point in time, is will white voters vote for barack obama. and you will never ever forget any of those very iconic images of all of those thousands of white iowa caucus goers who voted for barack obama, cleered him on and led him into the white house. it is those very same people today who seem to be quite smitten with michele bachmann so the big question is what happens in 2012? who will those voters sort of, you know, pin the head on the donkey on, coming around the corner. and whether or not michele bachmann will do with what we saw happen and lose new hampshire and just like you said, the big question is, then what happens in south carolina. >> you have watched her in south carolina. what's the response there? how is she being received?
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>> the response is very enthusiastic. what i was impressed with michele bachmann is that she conducted herself like a front-runner trying to be ip collusive of the conservative movement. i heard from her -- a fiscal conservative and national security conservative. this is her term, the three-legged stool of the republican party. the question is, can she conduct herself as a front-runner, can she run as a candidate and so far, the answer is yes and that's what i saw in south carolina. she definitely appeals because she knows how to talk about various issue possess shp did a good job of translating her experience in the house. however limited it is into something she has like a rep tire and she is conversant on the issues and that made her appealing along with her willingness to be combative and
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confront the president an she laced a lot of her remarks, you know, with different stories about how she will do things differently and why the president is wrong. and that is what something conservatives want to hear is how things are going to be different. and beating obama is a huge deal for them. >> but you are saying she can conduct herself as a top tier candidate. the problem under that is how does she reconcile signing this pledge, thisallegiance to the right, that is anti-gay, apt eye choice, and until recently, suggested that african-american babies were better off under slavery. now a group behind the pledge dropped that language over the weekend. and bachmann distanced herself from the line. but she raised eyebrows again, and i'm quoting her, quote, beliefs that slavery is horrible and economic enslavement is also horrible.
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economic enslavement also horrible? i mean, michele bachmann is saying that economic slavery today is like slavery in the 19th century in this country. she's got this obsession with slavery. she talked about healthcare reform once, what we have to do today is make a covenant to slit our wrist and be blood brothers on this thing. this will not pass. h is slavery. this is her on the healthcare bill. on debt. it is slavery. it is slavery that a bondage to debt and bondage to decline. what is this with slavery. in homosexuality, if you are involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle it is bondage. personal despair. personal slavery. i mean, what's going on here, matt? is it her limited vocabulary or she's got a hang-up with slavery? >> i don't know. there is some thing called godwin's law, that doesn't really mean this, but it's come to mean that you should never
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talk about hitler. it is never a mistake to compare somebody to hitler. i think there is some law that says, usually a mistatake to brg up slavely into a normal political discussion. i think that pledge was harmful. historically, inaccurate. but i don't, you know, i think it is a one day story to be honest with you. i don't think it will plague michele bachmann. i think it is a pump in the road. i think it speaks to the fact she has to be sharper. she is under the spotlight now as a front-runner. but i don't think it is the kind of thing that will plague her that much going forward. >> i got say, fw i could just interject here, reverend al, i think this is going to plague her. reverend wright plagued barack obama through the 2008 election and we will see this with michele bachmann. we talked about going to south carolina a while ago. this is a huge problem. ever since the study, ever poll,
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shows eenormous numbers of african-americans moving to the south. if she gets that far, the republican party is not going to survive as a party of white males. they have to find ways to reach out to african-americans and others. this, the statements, the anti-gay statements -- >> that's what i want it hear. >> -- let me finish my sentence. it is a huge problem. >> david, when you hear the statements she's made about gays. about african-americans, how will, in a general election, if she gets there, or if she forces the party to recon with her, how will she wrote with the general public? this is her talking now. this is not someone connected to her. >> there are two questions that will be answered in coming months. first of all can she handle the scrutiny of top tier campaign
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with all of the spotlight that she is getting because she actually is resonating in the polls. i want to know if she can putting to the organization to iowa, south carolina, florida and beyond. second of all, as she moves forward, and she begins to have success, if she does, the question is going to be, when does she start to transition from being simply a republican primary candidate and every candidate in a republican or democratic primary runs to right or left, that's standard. what whe does she start it translate and move center and can she do it? that's something that -- that's something that she will answer over time. either she can or can't. but it is far too early to decide that anything will plague her. i just point out that reverend wrooist plagued president obama so horribly that he actually won. so things that happen in a campaign or later on doesn't mean anything, it is how the candidate handles it. >> thanks for a great panel. coming up, all the talk of bachmann has, her old friend
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sarah palin fuming. wait until you hear what she is saying now. about 2012. and we caught paul ryan drinking $350 bottles of wine. wait until you hear who his drinking buddies are. that's the real story. coming up next. the 3.6-liter pentastar v6 engine in the jeep grand cherokee has a best in class driving range of more than 500 miles per tank. which means you don't have to worry about finding a gas station. which is good... because there just might not be one.
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a thousand words but this one is also worth $4 billion a year. take a look at this photo. it shows republican chairman paul ryan with pals drinking $350 bottles of wine. ryan told talking point memo, he didn't pick up the tab and paid more than his share of the bill. but what's disturbing isn't just how much ryan and his pals spent on their wine, it's who he was wining and dining with. ryan was with clifford a millionaire hedge fund manager and right wing economist. he also is someone who benefits directly from a tax break, ryan and other republicans are vigorously defending. it's a loophole that allows hedge fund managers to pay 15% tax rate instead of the normal 35%. closing that loophole could raise about $4 billion a year. just from the richest 25 hedge fund managers in the country
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palin, i think the ship kind of sailed. maybe mix months, maybe year, maybe more than that. she came out of 2008 campaign with know men um on the republican side. she has done a spectacular job of marginalizing herself. >> cbs poll says 66% don't want her to run. 25% does. i mean, her favorables are up to 30.7. unfavorable, 57.. how can you win with these kind of numbers? is she just angry or jealous that michele bachmann now is coming out and kind of taking the spot line from her? >> i don't think it is that. i think she generally wants it remain the political scene but doesn't believe she can win. a good rule in life is watch people do and not what they say. she says she can win but tell
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meg she doesn't believe what she is saying. the numbers show a lot of republicans don't want her to run either. that include a lost republicans do who dent want her to run. i think that's a big barrier. that's why she is not in iowa or new hampshire running for president right now. >> steve, if there are republicans that don't want her to run but think she is good for party, does this come down to her possibly being a coveted endorse many for somebody? >> i think there's still some value to that. not nearly as much even as there would have been a year ago i think. i think she's done that much damage it her brand. but when you get close to the iowa caucuses, dominated by the activist, hard core base, the people most likely to like sarah palin, sure, she could come in with an endorsement. but there is a risk to her image to running and losing a campaign. if it back fires, that won't help her either.
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>> that helps to be the problem if she endorses and who she endorses loses iowa, then does she devalue letter self for the long run. what happens then to the brand of sarah palin? >> i'm not sure i even agree that if she endorsed mitt romney tomorrow would he say absolutely? i'm not sure. i think she is very unpopular among independents. meaning republicans and some republicans in general. i'm not sure he would want na endorsement. i think she has, as steve said, devalued her brand over the last with the things she said the last year or so. i think for the general election, even more for crypt night for mitt romney who would not want to be near her i guess. >> how would she play with the more moderate candidates who may not want her and do you think anyone would possibly ever say publicly i'm not seeking sarah palin's endorsement?
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doesn't that risk marginalizing her? >> i kind of wondered. i talk about the pledge in iowa. there is one republican candidate struggling to get attention. gary johnson, former governor of new mexico said this is a horrible thing for a party it even be talking about signing on to this. this is terrible. he got better press out of that. so i wonder if there is an opening for a guy like gary johnson. maybe even a guy like jon huntsman more serious than gary johnson is trying to define himself as the maverick of john mccain way back was. maybe there's an open fog him. >> perry, there's got to be something to the fact that she draws a lot of media. how do you get angry at someone who likes toe go hunting and eats pizza with a fork in new york with donald trump? nobody can bring that -- >> reverend i agree. there is some strong support. if she ran in iowa she would do
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weal. >> thank you very much, steve and perry. thank you both for joining us. we will be right back.
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we cannot have a nation where based on your language or your race, determines your rights. your rights must be determined by the fact that we're all equal, one nation under god, with liberty and justice for everybody. friday night i signed off talking about state's rights and one of the things that i'm really, really on, as you saw me speak on the state capitol steps in atlanta, georgia this past saturday, is how each state is beginning to try and null nie federal immigration laws and go state by state with some very harsh immigration laws. one is georgia. but let's look, they are going all through the country now. arizona, south carolina,
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indiana, alabama, utah and georgia. and the impact is coming out in the early facts. the impact in georgia, 11,080 vacant jobs in state farms. people talking about people taking people's jobs when there is 11,000 jobs right now, 1 billion in crop losses. here is the point that concerns me. once you start having profiling laws, once police without any probable cause other than what somebody looks like to them, becomes legal, it violate everybody's rights. well, reverend al, you're jumping the gun. oh, really? sheriff arpaio's in phoenix, arizona had to file a lawsuit on using immigration laws to violate racial profiling and pay $200,000 to the victims. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now.

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